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#22223	05/29/2025 2:40:07 am	Apr 1st, 2045
Tali Joined: 11/18/2021 Posts: 15 East Central Tigers II.2	There has been recent discussion on the Discord about a link between OS and Str and looking back at the history of my players it does appear to be the case. Is this an intentional design decision? Or is there perhaps some unintended link during player creation/development that should be looked at? On the one hand, its kind of cool to be "in the know", but on the other hand I can't think of any reason these 2 attributes should be linked.

#22225	05/29/2025 11:17:17 am	Apr 3rd, 2045
Ced Joined: 02/14/2018 Posts: 470 Indiana Hoosiers IV.5	Is this an intentional design decision? Yes. "Lock", "load" and "launch" are the first words that I can remember when I learned to play basketball on a hoop attached to a barn. These all require Strength. On the one hand, its kind of cool to be "in the know", but on the other hand I can't think of any reason these 2 attributes should be linked. Yes. Strength is listed under Physical Skills in the Rules of Hardwood. Strength is helpful in order to generate required power to successfully make a jump shot.

#22228	05/29/2025 9:37:43 pm	Apr 3rd, 2045
kcb76 Joined: 02/12/2025 Posts: 11 Lubbock Christian Chaparrals V.15	It should be more important to range though. You don't have to be strong to shoot a 14 footer. Shooting from 24 feet is a different story.

#22229	05/30/2025 7:45:39 am	Apr 3rd, 2045
jdogg Joined: 02/25/2020 Posts: 43 Saint Leo Lions IV.3	This explains why I always had a lousy outside shot!

#22231	05/30/2025 11:51:51 am	Apr 3rd, 2045
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2522 Hardwood Administrator	What do people see as the correlation -- between strength and shooting percentage or 3-pointers made? There is no direction correlation between those two skills per se. Steve

#22233	05/30/2025 12:45:39 pm	May 28th, 2045
punkska Joined: 07/20/2019 Posts: 111 Lincoln University PA Lions III.2	I hadn't noticed it until someone mentioned it in Discord, or this forum post (whichever happened 1st), but check LUPA's alumni page - http://onlinecollegebasketball.org/alumni/380/0 Every one of them who went pro have exactly the same rating for OS and Str

#22235	05/30/2025 8:39:22 pm	Oct 5th, 2045
Ndsam05 Joined: 10/23/2024 Posts: 42 Saint John's University Johnnies V.12	Yeah the correlation that's been discussed is between specifically the strength rating and outside shot rating, not necessarily shooting percentages.

#22236	05/30/2025 11:09:28 pm	Oct 5th, 2045
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2522 Hardwood Administrator	Interesting...I think that must be a presentation bug. I will look into it. Steve

#22237	05/31/2025 4:35:29 am	Oct 5th, 2045
naph Joined: 02/29/2020 Posts: 607 St. Marys Gaels III.2	I thought it couldn't be true when I first heard it, But I went back and looked through all my old players trying to find a high strength guy with low OS, or a high OS guy with low strength, and I couldn't find one. For both SMC and ECU the largest difference between OS and Str I could find was 5. Across both teams only 3 players total had more than 3 difference between those 2 attributes. If I look at every other attribute relative to Strength then I get the range of values I'd expect (+/- 12 to 15), but OS - Str the range of values is just -4 to +5

#22239	05/31/2025 11:50:10 am	Oct 5th, 2045
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2522 Hardwood Administrator	Yeah...I found a bug. There is definitely miscalculation in the way the scouted value for strength is presented for both current and retired players. That's going to result in a bit a of strength change with the next update on Thursday for some players. Hope that's not too alarming. I thought of re-running the player update from the season flip, but that had other risks. I might have to do something else to make sure the retired players strength is returned to it's appropriate value. Still investigating that. Thanks, Steve

#22241	05/31/2025 5:46:31 pm	Oct 5th, 2045
purple3594 Joined: 03/28/2020 Posts: 25 Ripon Red Hawks II.1	Will the updated values reflect on the dev graph? If yes, for all data points? Just the most recent data point?

#22244	06/01/2025 8:54:28 pm	Oct 5th, 2045
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2522 Hardwood Administrator	Eventually it will be in the future. It wouldn't be retroactively corrected in the dev graph. Steve

#22245	06/02/2025 4:51:54 am	Oct 5th, 2045
2099000 Joined: 08/27/2021 Posts: 4 UAB Blazers III.4	Does this mean just the presented strength rating was displayed wrong or that players strength ratings weren’t where they should have been? Is the change just fixing what we are seeing or are players becoming weaker and stronger?

#22248	06/03/2025 8:57:30 pm	Oct 12th, 2045
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2522 Hardwood Administrator	It's a presentation problem. Steve

#22251	06/05/2025 7:40:59 am	Oct 14th, 2045
Bridger Joined: 02/09/2018 Posts: 207 Huntington University Foresters III.3	This is wild!

#22264	06/07/2025 11:33:31 am	Oct 25th, 2045
James Lebron Joined: 08/17/2021 Posts: 34 Florida Southern Moccasins IV.3	exactly what does strength do anyway? don't know much about what any of the skills or attributes actually do and how the various ones are effected... thats probably why I just recruit and not care about much else and that's probably my team stinks. lol since nothing is really known (or explained in the game manual) i just take things like speed, strength etc at face value with speed being just what is says and that is how fast a guy can run. strength would have the literal meaning of how much weight the guy can push around and on and on......... Updated Saturday, June 7 2025 @ 11:34:06 am PDT

#22265	06/07/2025 2:34:26 pm	Oct 25th, 2045
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2522 Hardwood Administrator	exactly what does strength do anyway? The short answer: Chicks dig guys with muscles. The Chat GPT answer -- which I thought was pretty accurate: Physical Defense & Post Play Holding position against opponents in the paint (especially for forwards and centers). Establishing position in the post. Boxing out for rebounds. Absorbing contact during drives or layups without losing balance or control. Finishing through Contact: Strength allows players to absorb bumps from defenders and maintain their balance and shooting motion, leading to more made baskets and potential "and-one" opportunities. Steve

#22266	06/08/2025 4:10:23 pm	Oct 28th, 2045
baller1987 Joined: 06/04/2023 Posts: 73 Central State Marauders V.6	Thank you Steve for this clarification. I know a lot of people do not know what the various skills are for so I'm glad you saw fit to explain. By the way, what is Chat GPT? Thank you.

#22267	06/08/2025 8:58:32 pm	Oct 28th, 2045
g10rsh-2 Joined: 05/29/2021 Posts: 8 Illinois Wesleyan Titans II.1	its an AI computer program that has looked at a lot of the internet and can answer questions that you ask it based on its knowledge gained from that (internet posts, blogs, chat boards, websites etc). it is free to access and try out if you are interested https://chatgpt.com/